18F4610 at 100MHz ??!!

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18F4610 at 100MHz ??!!

Post by JWinters » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:54 pm

I connected an external clock running at 25MHz into the OSC pin, used the PLL multiplier and set the CLOCK = 100.... I completely expected it to either a) not power up or b) catch on fire. I was very surprised to see my entire program boot-up and run normally. :shock: This PIC interfaces with 4 SUARTs, ADCs, an ENC28J60 and external non-volatile RAM. So needless to say, there are plenty of places I would expect it to fail. But to the contrary, everything works... AT BLISTERING SPEED! I do a lot of string manipulation and data encryption with this PIC and all I can saw, WOW, it's like going from a C64 to a Core Duo 2!

The PIC doesn't even feel warm to the touch.

Does anyone else overclock their PICs?

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Post by rmteo » Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:03 am

I did a test with a PIC18F4620 with a 20MHz crystal and PLL (which gave a 80MHz clock). Ran it for 72 hours straight with no problems. Test was done just out of curiosity. NOT something I would do with an actual design - best to stay within the manufacturer's specs.

If I really needed the speed, I would run a PIC24H or dsPIC33 at the manufacturer's rated clock of 80Mhz (for 40 MIPS performance).

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Post by Raistlin » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:36 am

cool pic overclockers :)

Don't forget the the watercooling rig and neon lights tho :D
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Post by JackOfVA » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:30 pm

Likewise here - 16 MHz resonator with 4x PLL engaged for 64 MHz with an 18F4620.

No signs of overheating - chip just barely above room temperature. Functionality seems unimpaired, at least with the test programs I fed it.

Update -- a 20 MHz resonator fails with this particular 18F4620, but a 16 MHz resonator seems solid. That's 64 MHz or 16 MIPS, which is not a small improvement at all.

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Post by Raistlin » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:06 pm

Wonder how far rhe K parts will overclock ; lol
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Post by JWinters » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:08 am

Maybe the 'K' version is just the same part re-branded. Remember when AMD used to do that? They would make a CPU work at 900 MHz then cripple it to work at only 600 MHz and sell it at a cheaper price. There were some interesting hacks you had to do to get some of those systems overclocked... I remember cutting traces on motherboards and hot-wiring CPU's by drawing traces on them with a pencil.

Kids have it too easy today, it's all done in software. I just saw an ad for a Dell gaming machine that is "factory overclocked". I'm not sure it's technically 'overclocking' if it came from the manufacturer that way. :lol:
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Post by Raistlin » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:14 am

Yes I remember those days well , the old pencil traces across the L2 and L1 bridges on the top of the chip , where they sued to laser cut a line depending on which sticker was goin on the top :) Hacking the PSU circuit to deliver a higher cpu voltage. Now it's all in bios ,, my mobo has a NOS interface (assume it means nitrous oxide buzzword boost) you can tweak the core voltage , front side bus , buss multiplier, cpu voltage , ram voltage ect all for windows nowadays.

Don't think K parts are the same re badged tho because they have a different internal oscillator section.
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Post by liak » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:08 pm

Dear Jack,
Just out of interest.
Update -- a 20 MHz resonator fails with this particular 18F4620, but a 16 MHz resonator seems solid. That's 64 MHz or 16 MIPS, which is not a small improvement at all.
What sort of failure did you get? Hardware burnt out? Killed the PIC? :roll:

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Post by octal » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:12 am

Hello,

Sincerly fiddling with overclocking is not serious for any hardware project. Overclocking from 20MHz to 22MHz or from 40MHz to 42 or 43MHz in order to have a special requirement on frequency to be multiple of something (usually used to be multiple of RTC) can be done without fear. But boosting PIC using such artifacts is really not serious (at least for commercial projects).

If you need more speed, go for a PIC24HJ/dsPIC33 (about 40MIPS - far from the 16MIPS of PIC18) or to ARM or CORTEX-M3 mcu. These later are really cheap, about the same price as PIC18 series (and cheaper in quantities>10000 = less than $1 for Luminary chips), with all other advantages like linear memory, huge number of hard peripherals, Vectorised interrupts (Nested interrupts for CORTEX-M3), ...

If smt packaging is a problem for you, PIC24 exists in DIP28 packages.

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Post by liak » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:47 am

Dear octal,
Thanks for the advise. Yeah, it was just wishful thinking. :lol:
I am opting to go for the PIC24, using mikroBasic.

Still whenever David comes out with the PIC24 version of SF, I will be glad to get it first.


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Post by David Barker » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:24 am

There will be some big announcements in the coming months - so stay tuned...

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Post by rmteo » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:11 pm

Thank you, David. Looking forward to any announcements regarding SF for PIC24/dsPIC. :D :D :D

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Post by liak » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:28 am

Dear David,
Thanks for the unexpected info! :D :D :D
All of us will be waiting fervently.

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Post by RadioT » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:39 am

Where do I wire the deposit to reserve the first ones for 24F? :D Down, Gromit, down, good dog....don't get so excited, you have to wait....here's a book to keep you occupied....

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Post by gem1144aaa » Mon May 03, 2010 4:46 pm

David Barker wrote:There will be some big announcements in the coming months - so stay tuned...


now its 14 months passed since you post that

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